Letters to the Editor

• One risk for another

Comments

Rob Nelson

January 17, 2012

As a gentile sympathetic to the unique concerns of my Jewish neighbors; and as a father, and a trained and licensed concealed carry permit holder who carries a gun on a daily basis in a ‘safe’ state, I say “Please arm yourselves.  All good and decent people arm yourselves.”  Those that aren’t good and decent certainly do. 

And if you’re ever persecuted in this country, I and many other God-fearing people will have your backs, as you would have ours.

Methuz

January 17, 2012

Seem’s Appropriate to leave this here:
http://jpfo.org/ - JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
Why we own.

G Walton

January 17, 2012

A good friend I work with is Jewish. I ask him the same thing. If I were Jewish I would carry a gun. I have no idea why so many hate the Jewish people but they do.

B. Thomas

January 17, 2012

Rob Nelson’s comment could have come from my pen word for word.

It is really true that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Jim In Houston

January 18, 2012

To all the helpless potential victims out there. Jews, gays, elderly, and just ordinary men and women.

Get armed and, above all, get TRAINED.

Because until the police arrive, you are on your own.

Rich

January 18, 2012

One more small fact. Its been upheld in the highest courts that the police have no duty to protect you. NONE!

Mordechai

January 18, 2012

Bravo, sir.  It’s about time this view was openly expressed in a Jewish publication.  Unfortunately, jJewish communal organizations like the ADL are absolutely against any form of active self-defense by ordinary citizens and seem to believe that we must look only to governmental authorities to protect us.  They seem to be unable to distinguish between self-defense and vigilantism.  Here is what the ADL suggests in their “Protecting Your Jewish Institution” pamhplet (available on their website) as a response to an armed intruder in a synagogue or other Jewish institutions:

“While it is unlikely you will ever encounter this situation, if one does occur, your options are very limited. ... Generally, your options will consist of either running or hiding.”

That is, simply put, outrageous.  Unfortunately, the possibility of such an event is all too real (have we so quickly forgotten how the Chabad House in Mumbai was singled out and the Rabbi and his wife were tortured and killed by armed intruders).  WE are our own first line of self defense.  The police simply cannot be everywhere at once and are not our bodyguards. 

It is high time for a change in NJ law so that adequately trained private citizens who pass a background check can obtain a carry permit.  It’s up to all of us in the Jewish Community to work towards making that happen.

Leonidas

January 18, 2012

Dearest brothers and sisters, have you fangs? Have you claws? By what means does Bambi conquer King Kong? Anyone bigger, stronger, faster, younger will defeat you.
More of them than you will defeat you. Mere surprise will defeat you. And your well-thought plan is to confront the monsters with a cell phone, call the number for “government”-sponsored dial-a-prayer, and threaten, “Don’t strike me or I’ll beg you again!” Those building the Temple worked with one hand, for every man and his slave bore arms. I cannot be there to save you. Corrupt mercenaries have proven they will not be there to save you. I beseech you in the name of G-d, have the courage, as David did, to save yourself.

Steve Gjerdrum

January 18, 2012

When I lived in a townhouse complex in Alexandria, VA a couple of years ago I had a Jewish neighbor that I didn’t particularly care for.  A Muslim cab-driver with about six kids lived a few doors down from me, and he was marginably more likeable on most days. That said, if either one or their families would have been threatened or harassed for any reason, I, a Gentile and proud descendant of Scotch-Irish white trash, possessed both the will and means to come to their defense, thanks to my Remington 870 shotgun and a Sig-Saur 9-mm, both of which I’m highly proficient at using (although I would have exercised maximum restraint for their sake and mine). 

I have always been perplexed at people who have so little instinct for self-preservation that they refuse to take the steps necessary to protect themselves and their families.  Regardless of what you may feel about the “gun culture,” which has its unsavory aspects to be sure, Jews are undoubtedly at higher risk of being singled out for violent attacks by virtue of their Jewishness. The overwhelming Jewish (liberal) support for gun control (well beyond prudent, common-sense measures) has always been inexplicable to me.  I hope a more nuanced approach is forthcoming - it is long overdue. I might risk my life for you, but I’d appreciate it if you’d also take some responsibility for your own self-defense.

Joe Izrael

January 18, 2012

How sad it takes molotov cocktails to wake up a Jew….
I am an Orthodox firearms instructor, and the vast majority of my students are non-Jews.
The Refuse to be a victim seminars are also a good idea, especially for youth and the elderly.

John Longenecker

January 18, 2012

There are other favorable factors to learn about. Average citizens in this country are the Sovereign people. The Founding Fathers declared us same before the formation of a federal government. This makes us unique. Call it exceptionalism in freedom if you like.

In self-defense terms or survival terms, this translates into the freedom in coming to the aid of another, the use of lethal force if you reasonably believe you are in grave danger, and other latitude in the reasonableness of your safety. This becomes safety of the neighborhood and that becomes safety of the nation. Naturally, the armed citizen is described as the original Homeland Security.

Add these to the fact that (as mentioned) police have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others (Lynch vs. NC DOJ) and you have a very good grounding in protecting yourself and loved ones.

Gun owners are the best source for more information. Remember that citizens have the ultimate authority in this country, not law enforcement, not government. Ask gun owners.

There are 90 million as of this year.

 

David Sudranski

January 18, 2012

I as a Jew appreciate that Jewish people are finally beginning to recognize the danger we are in all over again in the world including the United States.
I do wonder though did Jared always feel the way he expressed himself in the article or did the more and more frequent acts of Anti-Semitism act as the wake up call to the obvious that “never again” meant we were supposed to make sure all options were available to us to make sure it never happened again including posessions of firearms.

I was asleep as well. I never thought it was important for me to own firearms. I must have felt that someone else will do it maybe because I was taught as a child that when in danger call a policeman. I should have been taught when in danger defend yourself, then call a policeman.

I can understand Jews being complacent and not placing much importance in being able to defend ourselves because of the feeling of safety we have living in the USA but I cannot for the life of me understand why any Jew would advocate gun control. The result is that those Jews who would step up to the plate to defend the other Jews who don’t want to own firearms would not be allowed the resources to do so.

Not everyone is a person who can join the military, that doesn’t mean a military is not necessary. As Jews we are being given a warning of what may be coming all over again and we need to pay attention or it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN! We must all take advantage of the United Sates constitutions right to keep and bear arms and all Jewish gun owners need to unite with the single goal to make sure we can defend ourselves if anyone should try to make “it” happen again.

Nate

January 18, 2012

“...I believe guns should be licensed and their owners properly trained.”

During the 1930s, the Nazis used gun registration lists to forcibly disarm the jews before the holocaust. 

Don’t be too eager to impose licensing requirements…the government holds that power and gov’ts aren’t always friendly to their people.

David Sudranski

January 18, 2012

Nate,

Thats why Jews need some kind of command and control of our own that needs to be put in place to make sure we cannot be turned in to cattle again. Jews need to form their own NRA so to speak. I believe that Jews in general want to fade in to the background and stay out of trouble but its that mentality that gets us in to trouble. When some people who are identified as Jews do bad things the people who hate all of us come out of the woodwork and want to make us all pay for what the one did. We really cant stop a few bad apples any more than we can get rid of all those who hate us. What we can do is unite to defend ourselves whenever those people who would opt to kill us come out of the woodwork.

Allen O

January 18, 2012

I wholeheartedly agree with you and am happy to see our views published. Thank you.

Rick Schwartz

January 18, 2012

David sez:  Jews need to form their own NRA so to speak.

Rick replies:  As noted earlier… Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership at http://jpfo.org/

Self defense is not a left/right or liberal/conservative issue. All people have the right to the best self defense they can muster. For many, that means owning a firearm and knowing how to use it. Crime is no regarder of a person or his faith, and Jews are perhaps more vulnerable that most when it comes to those who would do harm for pure evil’s sake.

MamaLiberty

January 18, 2012

As one who works hard to teach others to become responsible self defenders, and carries a gun at all times, everywhere, I welcome you to the community of those willing to assume responsibility for our own safety, and that of our family.

I do wonder, however, why the discussion is ever put into terms of “hate crimes” or persecution of one race or another as somehow important. While those things all happen, isn’t the CRIME actually aggression, ANY aggression, the initiation of force against another human being?

Why a person chooses to become an aggressor, or the methods they use, would seem to be to be secondary at best. We must defend ourselves from that aggression, regardless of race, creed or national origin. We are all part of the same race… the human race.

David Sudranski

January 18, 2012

MamaLiberty,

You are correct in your observation. Aggression in general must be stopped in all forms no matter race religion or for any other excuse. However as a member of a nationality that [I] we don’t really want to relinquish and when we do try to relinquish it and blend in we are always reminded who we really are (Jewish) we have to defend against those who wish Jews harm and we can’t rely on anyone other than ourselves to defend us.

The discussion is about the “personal responsibility” that each Jew must take to defend against those who would wish us as a whole harm just because we are Jews.

Crotalus (Don't Tread on Me)

January 18, 2012

Mr. Silverman, I applaud you. This is encouraging to see one who was anti-gun reconsider his position. This is most heartening. Yes, get your gun, and get training. This is your natural right. It is the right of all citizens of the U.S., and that includes those citizens who are Jewish, so again I say, “Well done!”

The Bill of Rights in the Constitution are rights of the people, and listing them in the Constitution is a prohibition against the government infringing on those rights. The Second Amendment is a Constitutional protection against infringement on the right of the people (that’s us) to keep and bear arms. However, governments at all levels (Federal, state, and local) are doing everything they can to infringe the right to keep and bear arms. Licensing is one of those infringements. It takes a G-d given right and turns it into a government granted privilege. Although it’s what we have to live with right now, it is wrong. Licensing is a way to deny the “privilege” from those that the government deems unworthy, and that can be anyone the government chooses. This is one reason why the Jews were disarmed in pre WWII Germany. Licensing was in effect, and it was used to deny Jews firearms. I believe this enabled the Holocaust. (Is that what “Shoa” means? This word is new to me.) It has been said that if the Jews were armed, there might have been several dead Nazis on Kristalnacht, and Hitler may have reconsidered. At least he would have had three fronts on which to fight his war.

Mr. Silverman, there is indeed much animosity against Jews in the world, But I don’t think that it comes from Bible-believing Christians, those who believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior,  Victor over sin and death, and have personally asked Him to save them. The Old Testament in our Bible is composed of your Torah and Prophets, so they have become our history through adoption, if you will, into G-d’s Family. I would never imply that being born Jewish is less than being Christian. I only say that the Torah and Prophets all point to a sacrificial Lamb of God, who can actually take away the sin of the world, rather than only cover it for a time as the blood of lambs did in the Old Testament. This is why I don’t believe that true Christians would fall for that “white supremacy” garbage.

But again, well done on your position on firearms ownership!

scott

January 18, 2012

Good for you!  And it’s about time that Jews (and everybody else for that matter) realize that guns in the hands of good people is good! 

Now, as far as anti-seminism goes, yes, these acts could have been from gentile, but New Jersey also has a large, and growing Muslim population.  And Jew-hatred is basic part of Islamic theory (if you don’t believe that better start reading up on it). 

So, it’s one thing to do deal with individual bigots, it’s quite another to deal with a population that wants to kill you.  Why is it a that non-Mulsims in the Middle East are constantly decreasing?  Couldn’t be all those “tolerant” Muslims are the reason huh (think being a Jew or even a Crhistian in Pakistan is a walk in the park)?

And now we’re importing Muslims from all over the ME, and many of them, to judge by the “honor killings” that have happened in the US in the last few years, not all of them are going to magically take up “western” attitudes.  Remember, in Iran they hang homosexuals, in Saudi Arabia they lash adulterers, in Pakistan and Afganistan if a women is raped and reported it she’s the one most likely to end up in jail for “having sex” outside of marraige.  So you really think they’re going to leave the Jew-hatred at home when they bring the rest of their barbaric 7th century lifestyle with them?

Jews in this country are going to find out llike they are in Western Europe that large Muslims populations aren’t much fun to be around.

Better start thinking about a lot more than carrying concealed handguns.

Barry Hirsh

January 18, 2012

The county is named “Bergen”, and you’re surprised?

EthanP

January 18, 2012

As a Jew I have never understood the Jewish opposition to gun ownership. I remember Eli Weisel speaking against gun ownership. What experience in Jewish history, name one, give Jews the confidence they will be protected by the state. If you are not willing to protect yourself, why should anyone else. Remember what happened in Katrina. Police fired on and killed “American” citizens for a percieved threat. While not an end of the worlder, we do have threats, earthquakes, floods, blizzards, power outages that can curtail outside help. What if the police can’t come?

Barry Hirsh

January 18, 2012

“He urged residents to be vigilant, but not afraid.”

And, of course, he would NEVER urge them to be ARMED.

Pro-Jew Gentile

January 18, 2012

“I also want to emphasis that there is a difference between ownership and the right to carry.”

This is the current law, but I believe this should be changed.  Anyone who is responsible enough to own a gun in their home is responsible enough to own one in public.  Anyone not responsible enough to own a gun in their home is not responsible enough to own one anywhere.  We should emphasize training and make sure to enforce the existing strong criminal statutes against felons owning guns anywhere. 

There is a current bill in Congress creating a nationwide concealed reciprocity system.  This idea isn’t ideal in its current form.  There should simply be a national license created by Congress and administered throug the FBI and passport office (for the creation of physical credentials) that has a strong training requirement and background check but then allows possession of a firearm anywhere in the United States other than “sensitive areas” (you know what they are) after the license is granted.  That would wipe away a bunch of bad ideas concerning guns that still exist in NYC, Chicago, Washington D.C., and an increasingly small number of states.

Barry Hirsh

January 18, 2012

“America and the world have grown increasingly unsafe; nonetheless, there is steadfast belief that the police will be there when you need them.”

And they forget all too easily that it was the “police” that came to murder the Jews in Germany.

Bogie

January 18, 2012

As it might have been touched on before… this Jewish gun enthusiast reminds all that YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF IN THIS COUNTRY. You HAVE the right to bear arms. You HAVE the right to become educated and trained, and you have the obligation to provide the absolute maximum in protection of your family—Jewish or not.

This Jew Shoots Guns
www.JewsDontShootGuns.com

Dan Frain

January 18, 2012

I’m glad to see people recommending JPFO.  It’s a good thing, and I don’t think its aim is only toward Jews.  As a Christian, I consider myself Jewish by extension.  The first half of the Bible is all Jewish, and the star of the second half was a Jew, so to me, it follows.

A quote I often use is “If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT, Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic.”—Aaron Zelman, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, 1994.  (founder and leader of JPFO until his death in 2010.) 

Good luck getting the NJ politicos to pass a concealed carry law anytime soon.  Of course, if you apply the right kind of pressure ($$$) you may be able to influence their votes.

Barry Hirsh

January 18, 2012

“Jared Silverman, a West Orange attorney, is a self-described conservatarian.”

“Conservatarian”? I giggle.

Mr. Silverman, gun control is merely the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Jews. They are rank socialists, by and large, ancestrally emigrated here from Russia and Eastern Europe. They brought their communist poison with them. God didn’t repeatedly admonish them for being “a stiff-necked people” for nothing.

“Jewishness” needs to be completely redesigned, from the ground up, or the world will continue to try to eradicate them. And they have nobody to blame but themselves. Israel half-gets it. American Jews are clueless.

It starts with guns, and the self-confession of personal responsibility and equality of opportunity, not of results. It follows with the realization that theft by government is still theft, regardless of any dubious altruism.

You know, AMERICANISM?

As a “conservatarian”, you have much work to do within your community, my friend.

Much.

Jewish Marksman

January 18, 2012

“an armed Jew is an anomaly in the United States today.”

Don’t be so sure!  There are many more of us than you think, and our ranks are growing.  And there are Jews at the highest levels of competitive shooting sports, pro 2nd amendment politics, and the firearms industry.

(shameless plug) Please visit my humble blog to learn more:
http://jewishmarksmanship.blogspot.com

TSgt B

January 18, 2012

To Pro Jew Gentile:
Why should anyone beg his servant for the Right to protect our existence? The very idea of a federal license to exercise a Right that the federal government is explicity prohibited from infringing upon is poisonous to Liberty. You would place restrictions, enforceable by the federal government, upon that which the federal government may not, AND MUST NOT, control.
I support training in arms, but to have the “government” arbitrarily dictate how and when we may defend our very lives is suicide. Show me one, JUST ONE, program the federal government has not screwed up. JUST ONE. And you would let Obama and Holder make the rules? No thanks.
I spent 2 decades in service to this soon-to-be Once Great Nation, and I still do my best to live by my Oath to protect and defend her, from all enemies, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. The worst enemy the American people have at the moment resides in Washington, D.C.

Sean D Sorrentino

January 18, 2012

Why do you think there is a difference between owning and carrying a gun? You have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. You have those rights in your home and on the street. There is no difference between defending innocent life in your home and defending it on the street. It’s time to drag New Jersey into the modern era. It’s time to demand that New Jersey honor the Constitution.

As another commenter has pointed out, the people who came for the Jews in Germany were the police. And they came first for those Jews who had registered their firearms in accordance with the laws of the Weimar Republic. Why would you demand that your name be put on a list before you exercise your rights? This isn’t Schindler’s List, it’s the Gestapo’s list.

Go and get a gun. Get whatever training you feel is appropriate. And then pledge that you will defend your life and the lives of the innocent around you. You simply must learn to trust your own judgment.  In the end, every gun control argument starts off with “We can’t trust…” Well, we most certainly can trust just about everyone, and the ones we can’t, we can’t control with laws.

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January 18, 2012

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tired dog

January 18, 2012

Anything can happen; arm yourselves and gain skill with your tools of self preservation.  Tempus fugit.

JJ Swiontek

January 18, 2012

Thank you Mr. Silverman for the excellent op-ed.

Seek training. Guns are tools and it is always wise to be trained in the safe operation of any tools, especially dangerous tools.

If you need assistance, just ask.

Be Safe. G-d Bless.

JJ Swiontek
Certified NRA Pistol Safety Instructor
Denver, CO

LarryArnold

January 18, 2012

“I do not own a gun; however, I am considering getting one. I believe guns should be licensed and their owners properly trained.”

Great idea. You could blog the process of licensing a firearm in New Jersey, like Emily Miller is in D.C. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/) Since starting the process in October she’s up to seventeen articles, and is still not ready to actually purchase a firearm.

Duke

January 19, 2012

An armed Jew an ‘anomaly’ in the US?  Perhaps in New Jersey - where an armed anyone is an anomaly - but once you leave the Toxic Waste State and pass into the real United States, we’re at least as likely to be armed as any of our neighbors, and generally better trained.  The lessons of the Warsaw Ghetto, as well as those of the rest of the sixty-five million murdered by their own governments in the last century after being disarmed, have not been lost on us.

The idiotic laws that ensure only cops and criminals (when there is a difference) go armed is what keeps sane people from places like New Jersey and New York, possibly explaining your lack of experience with them.  Here in Arizona, in fact, three of the five executive board members of the state ‘gun lobby’ are armed, trained Jews, the former chairman of our legislative district was an armed Jew…and at the most recent Gun Rights Policy Conference, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership ( JPF0.org ) signed up dozens of armed, trained Jews.  Anomaly, indeed!

Yechiel

January 19, 2012

It’s sad that a simple, rational statement of the obvious is a cause for celebration in this state.  “Gun control”—and by that I mean measures designed to discourage or prevent law abiding citizens from purchasing and carrying firearms for self defense—doesn’t keep anyone one iota safer and in fact puts innocent lives in danger.  I’m glad Mr. Silverman has realized that.  Unfortunately, I fear that many in the NY/NJ Jewish community (who echo the anti-gun bias of the community at large) will not wake up unless—G-d forbid—a truly serious attack takes place.  In the meantime, for those who view gun ownership as irresponsible or barbaric, set aside your irrational fears and go and take an NRA basic pistol or rifle course.  You will be surprised to learn that gun owners take the responsibility of gun ownership very, very seriously.  You may also find that target shooting, as a recreational/sporting activity, can be a lot of fun.

Harvey S. Cohen

January 19, 2012

I’m all in favor of unarmed self-defense training and firearms training. I don’t believe there is a monolithic progressive position, but I suspect that most progressives believe training is always good.
Keeping a loaded firearm ready to hand in the home is another matter. It does not simply make you safer; it trades one set of risks for another. Depending on the neighborhood, the likelihood of a deadly intruder may be negligible in the first place. So the net increase in safety from intruders could be very small. Meanwhile, there is a nontrivial risk that someone in the home will be hurt or killed by accident. And, of course, pointing a gun at a police officer—especially one who has barged into your home—is an excellent way to get shot.

Yechiel

January 19, 2012

Harvey—I don’t know why you think “progressives” in particular “believe training is always good.”  I can assure you that every gun owner I have ever met believes training is not only good, but a necessity for anyone who owns a gun.  The difference between progressives and conservatives is that progressives believe that the government should insert itself into our private lives and, through over-regulation and criminal statutes, seek to mandate behavior.  I don’t need the government telling me what type of or how much training I need, particularly for a firearm kept in my own home.  As for “trading one set of risks for another”, you should visit the CDC website and see for yourself how many people are killed in accidents involving firearms.  The answer is very, very few.  In 2007 approximately 120 young people age 18 and under were killed in firearm accidents (and a good portion of those were likely hunting accidents).  More people in that age group were killed in bicycle accidents, poisonings, drownings and falls, and of course motor vehicle accidents.  The oft-asserted claim that a firearm kept in the home is more likely to be used against its owner than in self-defense is based on junk science plain and simple.

Dale

January 19, 2012

I am an Evangelical Christian.  While I don’t pretend to speak for any else but me, I assure you that many believe that Jews and Christians have a common enemy that we need to have the ability to protect ourselves from.

AJ

January 19, 2012

Excellent article, except, maybe, for that last bit about licensing.

Dennis King

January 19, 2012

Mr. Silverman, I agree with your position on Jewish gun ownership and self-defense. One problem is that the ADL and certain other Jewish establishment organizations think that the answer to anti-Semitism is simply to call 911. They obviously have learned nothing from history. I addressed this issue two years agoI on my “Lyndon LaRouche Watch” website, which monitors the LaRouche organization and other anti-Semitic groups:

JEWS, THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND ANTI-SEMITISM
By Dennis King

FEB. 26, 2010—Maybe someone in the Jewish community can explain to me the logic of ADL national director Abe Foxman’s opposition to gun ownership, because I don’t understand it. Every other ethnic group in America owns guns without feeling guilty about it. None of these ethnic groups have any particular objection to Jews owning guns. The National Rifle Association WELCOMES Jewish gun ownership. Yet Foxman seems to think that Jews should go along with a double standard (no guns for Jews!) that emanates not from anti-Semites but from the heads of certain liberal Jewish leaders…

Read the full article at http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/foxman3.htm

FriendlyGoy

January 21, 2012

Mr Silverman,
While I applaud and agree with your point that every citizen, and especially the Jewish citizen, ultimately has to take responsibility for his own and his family’s protection from the public enemy, I would take issue with the assertion of the elder Netanyahu that “antisemitism is deeply embedded in gentile culture.”  That’s unfair and largely untrue.  It is true that there was an ugly anti-Jewish strain in Roman Catholicism until the Second Vatican Council, but that strain is dying out along with Catholics of the pre-Nostra Aetate generation.  The other strain, the WASPy ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ country-club-blackball sort, was a form of ethno-class snobbery which is (I think) all but extinct, and wasn’t manifested in violence anyway.

The real threat of active, violent antisemitism comes from two potential centers: one, as mentioned by others, is the increasing population of fundamentalist Wahabi/Salafi/Deobandi Muslims, for whom Jew-hatred is an article of faith. The other, though, is a poisonous stream of Judenhass among secular leftists, often thought to be Jews’ political allies.  Yet it is they who are reviving the old Protocols slanders- a popular sign at Occupy Wall Street was the chilling “Kick the Zionist Financiers Out of Our Country.” Nor can it have escaped your notice, I think, that the traditional leftist sympathy for any third-worlder with an AK-47 has led them to swallow Palestinian propaganda hook line and sinker, to the extent that “Zionist” and “neocon” are just the euphemisms contemporary leftists use for “dirty Jew.”

michael

January 21, 2012

As a Jew from a liberal family who was taught by his father to shoot from the age of 8, I can only say welcome aboard. My father was a lifelong Democrat and party activist from the days when the Democratic party respected the rights of individuals, and believed that freedom wasn’t just for the wealthy and politically influential. He served in WWII, and liberated concentration camps, and brought back strong memories of that experience. From him I learned that in the end, the state cannot and will not guarantee your safety, well being, and happiness; you alone are responsible.

Howard Hirsch

January 21, 2012

Thanks to methuz for the link to JPFO.  Here’s some more food for thought:

http://lawreview.wustl.edu/inprint/75-3/753-4.html

Firehand

January 21, 2012

Sir, there’s a reason for the saying “In time of emergency, the police are minutes away.  And you may have seconds.”

I do have to point out, allowing the government to decide, by licensing and training, whether you’ll be allowed to have a firearm isn’t a real good idea.

Joe

January 22, 2012

All you out there check out www.gunface.org you may find something you like.

“That rifle hanging on the wall
of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage
is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there.”
~ George Orwell

Tone Engelsen Gaglione

January 23, 2012

To the person who posted with a name like Bergen are you suprised? My Dad came from Bergen, Norway. Norway hated the Germans!! Ever hear of the Hero’s of Telemark? My parents talked about Nazi occupation, Master race camps, German SS officers etc. My uncle, a sea captain stayed away for 9years, because he didn’t want to engineer ships for the Nazis. He missed the birth of his son and his growing years. When I was there, I was shown where Norweigan bus drivers drove off mountainous cliffs with a buss loads of SS officers. If it weren’t for the Norweigan underground blowing up heavy water plants used for the atomic bomb, we would all be speaking German today! Yes we had Quissling, the Benedict Arnold of Norway, but he was shot after the war. The children born of SS officers were shunned like Lepers.

See_Straight

January 27, 2012

Excellent knowledge of history. Reference to Nazis and mass killings in Cambodia. 90 millions of gun owners.

Almost 50 postings.
Boisterous, animated calls to arms. 200 years of advanced democracy, well trained police - not enough.
Every Jew needs a gun.

It is clear, all these postings scream about overhanging mortal threat of impeding extermination of six millions of us in USA.
It is clear from all these postings that we are here in the USA, in the comfortable Jewish New-Jersian locales do precious nothing to protect ourselves.

It is clear that our more than 200 years of the most advanced democracy in the world came to the reverberating crush, that neither our Constitution, nor three branches of government, nor governments of states, municipalities, our towns, nor police, nor National Guard, nor FBI, nor CIA, nor this Home Security Department, nor Patriot Act, nor etc. – all these marvels of institutions cannot, do not want to protect us. The last option what we are left with is – at the end of the barrel. All of us, brave men and women, children and teenagers and juveniles, the elderly (firm and infirm)  have to obtain a gun, guns and immediately start to take lessons. We even have MamaLiberty and a Jewish Marksman as examples ( What a pity – just one Marksman)

33 years ago I emigrated from the Soviet Union where I used to get in fistfights with Russian anti-Semites when I was a boy, a teenager, a grown man. The United States looked like a Jewish paradise to us. Now , from all these postings, appears our country is ready to annihilate Jews as Nazis in ‘33 or in a way Cambodians Khmer Rouge slaughtered 2 million of their own. All because they took all guns from them.

We are not Cambodians here. We need to get guns, form our own militia of brave men, women, children, elderly (firm and infirm), get armored cars and start to patrol the streets.

Yes, I used to get in fistfights. No more.  I am 70 now and cannot get in fistfights here in the USA. They all know karate. I will shoot from the hip. I told my wife that I have intention to buy a gun. She said that most probably I will harm myself or kill her. She saw me fighting on the street 33 years ago. But she does not trust me anymore and definitely is not capable to handle a gun. She is not capable to handle a remote control. (She has Ph.D. in Navy weapons design.)

It is clear, that we are living in a wrong country, which does not want to protect us.
We have to learn to shoot from the hip and our Jewish lawyers will protect us in the court. And yes, we have to get rid of all those who are not capable or do not want to get a gun.

Moishe Pupick

February 02, 2012

Th., 02/02/12 common era

It always galls me when politicians (Gentile or Jewish) pontificate to us “little people” about the dangers of firearms in the hands of civilian U.S. citizens because it seems that some of these rank hypocrites have concealed-carry permits and/or armed security details.

Shame on Elie Wiesel for having learned nothing from his horrific experiences during the Holocaust.  Historically, governments can and sometimes do turn against their own citizens.  The U.S. Constitution’s 2nd Amendment was enacted to prevent government tyranny, not for hunting or shooting competitions.

Alas, George Orwell may have been correct when one of his characters remarks that some creatures are created more equal than others.